Posts by Anony Mous

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What the new JW light position really is 👍

by ElderBerry in

i’m still an elder and i consider myself jw light.

as my fellow elders are.

we don’t throw our weight around like elders used to in the past, it’s all very easy going these days.

Anony Mous

Of course if you say things apostate then you will be treated just the same as any other religious belief system and they will say so why are you still coming here then? Best if you stop coming to the church, mosque or KH ect.

Again, proof that you are totally oblivious as to what life "outside" truly is. You've been told that lie repeatedly. Guess what, I am an open atheist, I go to a Presbyterian church. Guess what, they don't kick me out, they ask me for help, they shake my hand, they say hi, they invite me for sharing meals, we do fundraising events, they pray for my family when someone is sick.

You really have to go to extremist non-Christian churches (like JW and Millerite-adjacent) or potentially some extremist mosques to experience that kind of treatment.

On the same vein, when was the last time your KH had a soup kitchen, or took in an Afghan family that worked with US troops, or collected donations for food banks, or provided shelter to abused women and children - oh forgot, they're the ones that abuse the women and children.

things have changed so much. There is no more disfellowshiping. It’s actually very hard to be announced that someone is no longer a JW.

You are full of shit, tell the JW then to remove the first two references when I google "do jw disfellowship". They do and will continue to disfellowship. I'm aware they no longer call it disfellowshipping, as you say, they announce that someone is no longer a JW or they have a talk about it without naming people. Guess what, I'm not "disfellowshipped" legally speaking I'm still an in-tact member and didn't even lose my position, but they still treat me as if I was.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/w20150415/disfellowshipping-a-loving-provision/

https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/gods-love/disfellowshipped-person/

Is strict avoidance really necessary? Yes, for several reasons.
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Although there might be a need for limited contact on some rare occasion to care for a necessary family matter, any such contact should be kept to a minimum.

2022:

Christ’s disciples who live in a religiously divided household sometimes face situations that test their affection for Jehovah and Jesus. For example, unbelieving relatives may urge them to celebrate a religious holiday. When put to the test, whom will they please? Jesus said: “Whoever has greater affection for father or mother than for me is not worthy of me.” (Matt. 10:37)

If a family member insists that someone cannot participate in any holiday because of its religious origins, even if the holiday is now secular, it creates tension and strain within the family. The individual who abstains might feel isolated, and their relatives may feel rejected or hurt that they won’t join in family traditions.Disagreements over what is "acceptable" participation in holidays could lead to arguments and resentment. If maintaining family unity is important, open communication, mutual respect, and compromise (where possible) would be essential in navigating these differences. This is done intentionally, because IT'S A CULT.

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Watchtower SlangJamaican Patois: Gods son came fe mash up the world😂

by Diogenesister in

🤦‍♀️this 25 million different languages thing is getting ridiculous.

this link is hilarious!

they've only gone and translated into jamaican patois and boy this isn't just translation, they're literally using slang....what next?

Anony Mous

I know there are UN, NGO and governments programs that are trying to ‘civilize’ their spoken languages into written language under an attempt at ‘preservation’. In most cases these efforts have failed or had the opposite effect. I wonder if they are making use of any grants and satisfying the requirements by ‘publishing’ something. Posting some gibberish on your website to ‘satisfy’ the requirements - wouldn’t surprise me.

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Analysis of the Property Ownership Model of Jehovah’s Witnesses

by Paul Bonanno in

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analysis of the property ownership model of jehovah’s witnesses.

jehovah’s witnesses have developed a structured and financially efficient model for acquiring, building, and managing properties worldwide.

their approach maximizes resources contributed by members while ensuring that ownership and financial control remain centralized within the organization.

Anony Mous

I have never seen a KH in a place that will ‘appreciate’ in value. It’s usually the ‘lowest cost’ area, crime is high or noise pollution from an airport (or both).

I’ve worked in the RBC. The way it works is this:

You donate towards “your congregation’s” new KH - a goal is set and monthly contributions are directed
Once you make the goal, the WTBTS through the RBC assesses whether your congregation has saved enough money
The WTBTS enters into an “agreement” with your elders to loan your congregation the money it has saved to build or renovate your new KH
You build the KH
Your congregation now has a loan to pay off for the value of the new KH building (and also its upkeep)
The WTBTS sells the old KH at current market prices and since they are the owners, receive the proceeds
Once the congregation has paid off its loan, go back to step 1

So really, you pay 3 times for 1 building - once to begin construction, once after construction and once when it is sold. This cycle takes about 10-20 years, in most cases a similar scheme is started every 5 years for “major renovations” which involves things that should’ve been done like proper insulation, proper roofing, proper parking etc. The costs are assessed at market prices for the labor value + materials “for insurance reasons”, also, any discounts and cash back incentives from vendors are returned to the WTBTS, not the project. So really, you can end up paying 4-5x the value of the building in donations over the lifetime of the building. Do the same at the circuit level for circuit assembly halls etc.

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Insight Book LIES - then tells the TRUTH!

by BoogerMan in

it-1 p. 493 communication - "when the circumcision issue was resolved by the governing body in jerusalem......".

it-1 p. 881 galatians, letter to the - "by reason of a revelation, paul, with barnabas and titus, went to jerusalem regarding the circumcision issue; he learned nothing new from james, peter, and john, but they recognized that he had been empowered for an apostleship to the nations.

" (galatians 2:1-10).

Anony Mous

There are third party references to the repeated destructions of Jerusalem and who truly ruled the area. Problem is people taking the Bible literally and then trying to see what fits and rejecting the rest of the evidence, the Bible was not written as a historical book, it was not intended as a chronicle or a textbook. The Bible as we know it is a rather small selection of available books about Jewish religious/moral teachings from its beginning as a polytheistic religion to the start of Christianity and its trinity. It’s been refined and edited over the ~500-1000 years that it took to be composed.

If you want to take the Bible literary and prophetic you have a lot of explaining to do from the first to the last verse. One date in one supposed prophecy is the least of your problems. You’ll have to explain all the mythical characters from Adam to David, you’ll have to explain the roughly 50 year time shift of Jesus’ character to the time he was according to modern tradition born & active vs the recorded dates on the mentioned rulers as recorded by the Romans, both the missing and added names from the various Biblical geneology records etc.

Even before the Romans, Jerusalem had been destroyed or captured and recaptured dozens of times. The Romans themselves did it at least three times before Christianity starts, yet the Bible somehow ‘forgets’ all those events and pretends there is a singular line of inheritance to the regional throne. Very convenient if you’re at the end of that genealogy at the time said genealogy is written.

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Watchtower SlangJamaican Patois: Gods son came fe mash up the world😂

by Diogenesister in

🤦‍♀️this 25 million different languages thing is getting ridiculous.

this link is hilarious!

they've only gone and translated into jamaican patois and boy this isn't just translation, they're literally using slang....what next?

Anony Mous

@andr: I was in a place where they have a regional ‘fishers’ language - it’s actually a mix of dialect words in 3 languages and a lot of “vulgar” words in each of those.

The branch office tried to make inroads by ‘harbor work’ (this was a well publicized thing they tried in the late 90s, early 2000s), made a special congregation, CO came and talked to us. Basically these people lived on or near the boats, would be out on sea for a few weeks, home a few days during the fishing seasons.

They got exactly 1 fisherman to ‘study’ but became a problem when it came to earrings and facial hair - it was hilarious for us trying to ‘civilize’ this person into a suit, shaven, without his earrings and going in service, and then the elders got all uptight when he came back from his voyages with his earrings, beard and smelling like oil and fish (it’s not solved by taking a shower). And then the fact he kept using words that were practically curse words in the ‘proper’ language.

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WT June '25: Why Can't We Turn Studies Into Baptisms?

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/t_mpdwsqpy0?si=okf4bsfsqfed0szp.

study article 27 under the title :"help bible students to take a stand for the truth" paragraph 1 *did you have reservations about becoming one of jehovah’s witnesses?

perhaps you were afraid that your workmates, friends, or family would turn against you.

Anony Mous

Maybe people are afraid that they too will turn into the assholes their study leaders are.

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Watchtower SlangJamaican Patois: Gods son came fe mash up the world😂

by Diogenesister in

🤦‍♀️this 25 million different languages thing is getting ridiculous.

this link is hilarious!

they've only gone and translated into jamaican patois and boy this isn't just translation, they're literally using slang....what next?

Anony Mous

I think you’re confusing Standard Scottish English with Scots like Doric and Lallan which to my knowledge have a limited written language.

I see this attempts more as a misguided attempt at “civilizing” the population with a completely different way of thinking about their language and of course a religion.

WTBTS will have to invent new words in a language that isn’t yours to explain an idea that is culturally foreign - or - more likely, introduce loanwords instead of having the population decide for themselves what the word should be.

I’m not saying languages can’t evolve a writing system, but forcing it on them (as is the case with Jamaican Creole) is what I have objection with. If you want to preserve the language, we have phonetic writing systems and audio recordings. I’ve already stated that it is currently impossible to distinguish the meaning of words without understanding of the inflection, which you could impose with diacritics but currently not embedded in the proposed written language - purely because the people that made up that written language didn’t understand that fact. Basically the written language of Jamaican Creole is different than the language of spoken Jamaican Patois, its a conlang as much as Klingon and High Valerian is, it has no bearing on the present use of the language or its people.

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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

by slimboyfat in

rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

Anony Mous

@SB: the solar eclipse is rather easy to find out because they happen very predictably:

In 34 AD, a total solar eclipse occurred on March 9th, but its path of totality was near Australia, not visible from Jerusalem.

Here's a more detailed explanation:

Total Solar Eclipse:
NASA's solar eclipse tables indicate a total solar eclipse on March 9, 34 CE.